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Tick Tock: The Great Daylight Savings Debate Unplugged!
Time is a slippery little creature, and this week we're diving deep into how Americans have been playing with it for over a century! Our main point? We’ve been toying with time like it’s a new video game, and it’s all tied up with our good ol' friend, Daylight Saving Time. James A. Brown kicks things off by reminiscing about the glorious days when we didn’t obsess over clocks, just the sun and sundials. As we stroll through history, we’ll chat about how railroads, wars, and even a certain former president have influenced our current timekeeping habits. So grab your favorite beverage and settle in, because we’re about to unravel how our relationship with time has shaped our daily lives—and whether it's high time we make some changes!
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Speaker B:Oh, hello, I'm James A.
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Speaker B:You could be anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
Speaker B:And I thank you for that, sincerely.
Speaker B:We got a great show for you today, and it's all about time.
Speaker B:That's our top line.
Speaker A:The top line.
Speaker B:And for me, it's been a curiosity for most of my life.
Speaker B:Time clocks.
Speaker B:I've been fascinated with this thing.
Speaker B:And you know, yes, I must admit, I'm a weirdo.
Speaker B:I have these weird fascinations.
Speaker B:And yes, time is one of them.
Speaker B:Because time tells you a lot about a people, how they keep track of them.
Speaker B:Because for most of history,.
Speaker C:We didn't.
Speaker B:Really worry about it.
Speaker B:For most of history, mankind just followed the sun.
Speaker B:There were sundials.
Speaker B:It's not that we didn't have clocks.
Speaker B:We had different kind of clocks.
Speaker B:Clocks as we know them were developed in the, I believe it was the 15th century.
Speaker B:But the time that we think of day to day, that we carry on our phones and watches, if you still wear those, We really didn't worry about them until the last 150 years.
Speaker B:Yes, that's a long time ago for you and me.
Speaker B:Most of us weren't alive 150 years ago.
Speaker B:Virtually nobody was alive that long ago.
Speaker B:But that's when things started to change.
Speaker B:Because we human, humans started to create things that demanded organization.
Speaker B:In particular, mass transit.
Speaker B:And that's what I want to walk you through here.
Speaker B:A brief history of how Americans have been messing with time.
Speaker B:And if you bear with me here, I'll explain how this will affect us today because it's.
Speaker B:You might be worried about this today and tomorrow and definitely when we change our clocks in a few months, if we change our clocks at all intent.
Speaker B: Back in: Speaker B:Back then, time as we knew it was a local matter based on your time.
Speaker B:Back then, time as we knew it was decided by your town.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:We didn't have time zones as we knew them.
Speaker B:Your town basically had a rough idea of what time it was and everybody just sort of went by it just about.
Speaker B:There were clocks, but they weren't all the same.
Speaker B:And people went along their lives.
Speaker B:Most people didn't travel a lot.
Speaker B:They didn't go here in there, they didn't go to and fro, so it didn't really matter.
Speaker B:But when the railroad came, we all needed to travel on a certain track.
Speaker B:They couldn't afford to have late trains all the time.
Speaker B:People needed to know when the train would come.
Speaker B:So these giant corporations started to institute standard time and people just started to adapt it.
Speaker B:Now, a couple decades later, we adapted standard time, but not because of the railroads, not directly.
Speaker B:In fact, we were influenced by another nation, Germany.
Speaker B:In fact, During World War I, Germany and the US were at war the first time around.
Speaker B:And Germany decided that, you know, if there was less daylight, people would use less fuel.
Speaker B:So they came up with this concept called Daylight Saving Time.
Speaker B:They started observing it on May 1 and the rest of Europe did the same and it saved fuel.
Speaker B:So our president Woodrow Wilson did the same for the rest of World War I.
Speaker B:Now, farmers didn't like this.
Speaker B:Farmers were kind of pissed actually, because they had less daylight hours to do their work.
Speaker B:They wanted to harvest crops in daylight and not in the dark.
Speaker B:They wanted to milk cows in daylight and not in the dark.
Speaker B:Makes sense to me.
Speaker B:Who wants to do that in the dark?
Speaker B:So, you know, it became kind of a local option after the war, but the idea kinda stuck around.
Speaker B:But you know what happens with crisis?
Speaker B:With crisis, we give government more control.
Speaker B:Government gets more control during crisis.
Speaker B:So once again, couple decades go by, Franklin Roosevelt is in control of the nation.
Speaker B: is president, and in the mid-: Speaker B:Only it's year round to ration ration supplies.
Speaker B:Ration gas only lasted a few years.
Speaker B:Hmm.
Speaker B:And for a few decades this went on.
Speaker B:Wartime faded to black and it became a local thing.
Speaker B:Some people kept adapting this idea because it was in the firmament.
Speaker B:Some people continued to use the idea of Daylight Saving time and others did not.
Speaker B:And, and it was optional.
Speaker B:Until it wasn't.
Speaker B: In the: Speaker B:And you know, Arizona and Michigan fought it and other states fought it too, but not everybody got away with it.
Speaker B:Then all of a sudden, that's the Daylight saving time that we know.
Speaker B: And then came the: Speaker B: re was the oil embargo of the: Speaker B:I wasn't born yet, but there, that was a oil shock.
Speaker B:Oil prices went through the roof.
Speaker B:President Nixon at the time, once again, to conserve fuel, He declared daylight saving Time year round.
Speaker B:And boy, people hated it.
Speaker B:There was this, this wild opposition about children leaving school in the dark.
Speaker B:There were traffic accidents going through the roof.
Speaker B:There were eight children killed because of accidents.
Speaker B:Public support dropped.
Speaker B:And then of course, Watergate happened and there was no support for Nixon anymore.
Speaker B:And down went daylight saving time.
Speaker B:So did you, do you get where I'm going here?
Speaker B:Daylight saving time is not a new concept, obviously.
Speaker B:It's been around for all of our lives.
Speaker B:It's a new, it's this ongoing experiment, this thing.
Speaker B:We have been toying with time for the last century and a half of American life.
Speaker B:That experiment continues today.
Speaker B:We're going to talk about the next steps in our American, our great American experiment with time.
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Speaker B:Oh, welcome back.
Speaker B:I was just walking you through a brief history of how Americans have spent the last 150 years messing with time.
Speaker B:I walked you through about a hundred of those years, but that's, that's not at all.
Speaker B:We're not quite up to now, but I will get there just shortly.
Speaker B:Stick with me.
Speaker B: So after the: Speaker B:And then some states kept it, other states didn't, but it continued.
Speaker B:And that's what I grew up with.
Speaker B:And you probably grew up with.
Speaker B:And we all know.
Speaker B:And what happened over the last 20 or 30 years or so is that congressional leaders.
Speaker B:Showed up and they decided, you know, this kind of sucks, like I don't want this anymore.
Speaker B:And there's been a push after push to repeal it and not repeal it.
Speaker B:And I could walk you through all the minutia, but this all has crescendoed with the Trump administration.
Speaker B:Donald Trump who's based in Florida, Marco Rubio who's Secretary of State who's based out of Florida, and a lot of the lawmakers who are behind pushing against this are based on in Florida.
Speaker C:Have.
Speaker B:Said, you know, why do we need to do this?
Speaker B:What's the point of this?
Speaker B:And we finally, not long ago got to the point where we got this happening in Congress.
Speaker D:Without objection, the chair is authorized to declare recess at any time.
Speaker D: he Sunshine Protection act of: Speaker D:This legislation establishes Daylight Savings Time at the permanent year round standard time for the United States and would dispense with the semi yearly practice of resetting our clocks every November.
Speaker D:As all of us are well aware, we follow the annual fall back.
Speaker D:But under this legislation, Americans would no longer need to turn back their clocks an hour further.
Speaker D:HR 139 provides exemptions for Arizona, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Guam and the US Virgin Islands as they currently adhere to standard year round time and therefore remain on purpose permanent standard time.
Speaker D:The remaining 48 states under this legislation will be granted the authority to lock their clocks permanently.
Speaker D:There are two important things to note here.
Speaker D:First, President Trump has made clear his support for this legislation and he remains adamant that Congress pass it and send it directly to his desk to end what all of us would agree is a tedious and entirely repetitive process process.
Speaker D:Second, we should take note of the bipartisan support this legislation has garnered both in the House and the Senate.
Speaker D:There's consensus on this issue across the ideological spectrum.
Speaker D:I look forward to the testimony of our panel here today.
Speaker D:I'm sure they have some pertinent facts and figures to share with us about why this legislation is a win for the American people and the nation.
Speaker D:With that, I now yield to the ranking member, Mr. McGovern, for any comments he wishes to make.
Speaker B:And on this panel, what you got was support from the American College of Chess Physicians, the World Sleep Society and a slew of other experts backing this change.
Speaker B:Detractors, on the other hand, argue that President Trump is making this change largely because, well, to just fatten his pockets.
Speaker B:Look, the man does own a bunch of golf courses.
Speaker B:You can't make, you can't argue that he doesn't, that that is a big part of this argument.
Speaker B:And if he's, if his golf courses have More daylight hours at least part of the year.
Speaker B:You could argue that he'll make more money, but he'll have less daylight hours for part of the year.
Speaker B:So, like it?
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:Honestly, I. I feel like that's a pretty hollow argument as well.
Speaker B:I feel like his argument is that I broadly agree that it's tedious, kind of pointless, but I'll get there later.
Speaker B:I want to hear for a bit of the opposition.
Speaker B:This is Representative Wachenshiel from Virginia.
Speaker E:So the Sunshine Protection Act.
Speaker E:It's pushed primarily by members of Congress from Florida.
Speaker E:Based on the industries in Florida that want to see it, golf courses, including President Trump's.
Speaker E:I voted against it.
Speaker E:Two reasons.
Speaker E: we tried this as a country in: Speaker E:It seems like a great idea in the summer, it's not such a great idea in the winter, where in some parts of the country it's still pitch black at 9am for our community in Fairfax county, we struggled because this winter with prolonged school closures, with weather events, winter weather events.
Speaker E:And one of the drivers of those prolonged school closures was it wasn't safe for kids to be at their bus stop in the winter, in the dark, when there was snow and ice on the ground.
Speaker E:The sun coming up an hour later would have a significant impact on kids going to school in Fairfax county and across the nation.
Speaker E:So I just think, on balance, permanent daylight savings and time doesn't.
Speaker E:Doesn't make sense.
Speaker B:Were you surprised?
Speaker B:You were in the minority and the overall vote totals there.
Speaker E:I had no idea how it would go.
Speaker E:You know, it's one of those issues kind of.
Speaker E:Everybody brings their perspective to it.
Speaker E:It's, it's.
Speaker E:You know, I see it as a regional issue because it impacts different parts of the countries in different ways.
Speaker E:But still, people have personal views about it.
Speaker E:I get the sense sometimes it breaks down to like, are you a night owl or a morning person?
Speaker E:Maybe, But.
Speaker E:But for me, I just think a.
Speaker E: The experience in: Speaker E:The health and safety.
Speaker E:I think the science is close to conclusive that from a health and safety perspective, Daylight Savings time is problematic.
Speaker E:And just for our community, I didn't think it would make sense.
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Speaker B:When are you going to get rid of daylight savings?
Speaker C: asiest one of all, but it's a: Speaker C: And if something's a: Speaker C: one way, but it's very much a: Speaker C:And it's something I can do.
Speaker C:But a lot of people like it one way, a lot of people like it the other way.
Speaker C:It's very even.
Speaker C:And usually I find when that's something the case, what else do we have?
Speaker B:That's obviously President Trump talking about daylight saving time, and I think he's absolutely right.
Speaker B:And for those of you who don't know, this is the James Brown program and I do a daily column called the Daily Note.
Speaker B:I'm on about 30 radio stations around America.
Speaker B:I'm also on newsbreak.com I have a substack and I speak to tens of thousands of people a day.
Speaker B:And I wrote about this issue and I heard from so many people and it was entirely split.
Speaker B: It was a completely: Speaker B:And I want to walk through some of the responses I heard from people on this one.
Speaker B:And it was, it was, it was quite interesting.
Speaker B:This one, this fella and I have to say, come on, fella, work on your news, your username X XX on news break.
Speaker B:Come on, man, work on your username.
Speaker B:I'm all for daylight saving time.
Speaker B:I like the extra light in the evening.
Speaker B:Maybe I'm wrong, but I think it would be the same for ton.
Speaker B:It would save tons of energy as stores, etc.
Speaker B:Could delay could delay exterior lighting for an hour.
Speaker B:In an, in an effort to quit beating this horse to death and settle this continuous debate, why not simply split it by half an hour?
Speaker B:That way everyone gets at least a half of what they want.
Speaker B:So basically he's saying don't completely delay daylight savings time.
Speaker B:He says basically, you know, like split the, the kid in half.
Speaker B:Like don't go all the way one way or all the way the other.
Speaker B:So sort of go, you know, 50, 50.
Speaker B:I look, I don't think you can really do that.
Speaker B:I think if you, if you're going to do this, you kind of have to go one way or the other.
Speaker B:You can't just, you know, look, I, I think you have to make a decision here where, where you either have to be a nation where you have Daylight saving time or not.
Speaker B:I don't think we can, we can afford to go half halvesies on this one.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:This was an email I got from Amber Locklear.
Speaker B:Please make Standard Time permanent.
Speaker B:Please.
Speaker B:Prayer sign over and over, over again.
Speaker B:Look, I'm, I'm not against the idea.
Speaker B:I think she's, she's got a point.
Speaker B:I could see that logic happening and working, not against it.
Speaker B:I'm open to the idea, Amber.
Speaker B:And thanks for reading.
Speaker B:Thanks for listening.
Speaker B:This is Doug Hill on substack.
Speaker B:Simply succinctly, yes, I prefer Standard Time, but whatever's.
Speaker B:That's kind of what I wrote and kind of how I feel about it broadly.
Speaker B:I think that we should just make a decision and just kind of roll with it.
Speaker B:I, I think we can adapt to whatever we need to adapt to.
Speaker B:I don't think this is as big a lift as people make it out to be.
Speaker B:I think the world is more malleable than we make it out to be.
Speaker B:Thank you, Doug.
Speaker B:This is PU B list Red.
Speaker B:Interesting, interesting name.
Speaker B:Put it on Eastern Standard Time and leave it so we can be in sync with the rest of the world.
Speaker B:We don't need to be in the dark when kids get on the buses and in light at 9pm I don't think we can go Eastern Standard Time across the board.
Speaker B:I, I don't think that one makes much sense.
Speaker B:Puvalis.
Speaker B:I I, I, I, I, I, I don't think we can do that.
Speaker B:But if you mean Standard Time, I'm with you.
Speaker B:I don't think we can do Eastern Standard Time across the entire world.
Speaker B:Pueblus.
Speaker B:But, but thanks for reaching out.
Speaker B:Always love to hear and thanks for the suggestion.
Speaker B:This one is from Cynthia McCollum also on Newsbreak.
Speaker B:Keep daylight saving time.
Speaker B:My parents always waited for the bus for us.
Speaker B:Parents can still do that.
Speaker B:But it, but it should not be dark at five in the evening.
Speaker B:Look, I'm from Rochester, New York.
Speaker B:I still live in Rochester, New York part of the year now it's at, it's dark at 5 in the evening when I am driving at, at 4, 4:30 in December, January, February, it is dark at 5 at that time in the evening.
Speaker B:Now I guess in this case would it be dark at three?
Speaker B:Maybe I'd have to think about that a little bit more.
Speaker B:It's, it would be one of those side effects in this scenario or could be.
Speaker B:This was a text message.
Speaker B:Once again, if you, if you have a, if you are are leaving me a text message.
Speaker B:Let me get the text message number.
Speaker B:Let's see, please leave your name.
Speaker B:I didn't, didn't get the leave.
Speaker B:Get a name left here.
Speaker B:Keep daylight saving time.
Speaker B:I'm 69 years old.
Speaker B:Start school at 9pm till 3:30pm that's what time school started.
Speaker B:When I went to school, we walked to school.
Speaker B:It was five miles one way to school.
Speaker B:We should have, we would have loved to have more sunshine after school.
Speaker B:I think I would have loved it too.
Speaker B:I have to say a couple things once again.
Speaker B: -: Speaker B: That's: Speaker B:If you go on a call, leave your name.
Speaker B:You don't have to leave.
Speaker B:You don't leave your number.
Speaker B:I won't, I won't, I won't put your number on the air but leave your name so I can, I can at least share your name with the and say, you know, this is Sam.
Speaker B:But, but I do think our texter has an interesting point here.
Speaker B:Look, the world is more malleable than we, we make it out to be.
Speaker B:As I explained earlier in the hour, we can reshape the world.
Speaker B:We have reshaped the world.
Speaker B:We can.
Speaker B:Just because I went to school, high school for me started at 7:30am we had to be there at 6:37 for, for breakfast and classes started at 7:30.
Speaker B:And it didn't have, it doesn't have to be that way.
Speaker B:We made it that way.
Speaker B:We, it was a choice of ours.
Speaker B:We don't have to.
Speaker B:We don't have to.
Speaker B:Things don't have to be that way.
Speaker B:We made them that way.
Speaker B:It is a choice of ours as a society.
Speaker B:So I think our texter nailed that.
Speaker B:So there's no reason why school can't be 9am to 3:30.
Speaker B:There's no reason why we can't reshape things for when daylight is now.
Speaker B:Now, could it be difficult?
Speaker D:Sure.
Speaker B:But it already is difficult for a lot of parents, for a lot, for a lot of kids already.
Speaker B:I'm not a morning person yet.
Speaker B:I had to be at School at 7:30.
Speaker B:It is, it's a difficult life is not easy as is.
Speaker B:And I think we should be open to rethinking the way things are as we go.
Speaker B: , although: Speaker B:It's at least, if not 50 50, it's probably 33, 33, 33 or maybe 25, 25, 25.
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Speaker B:Oh, welcome back to the James Brown Program.
Speaker B:I, of course, am James Brown.
Speaker B:Thanks for joining me.
Speaker B:You check out my work@jamesabrown.net that's jamesabrown.net I was walking us through some of your response to the Daylight Saving Time proposed changes.
Speaker B:It passed Congress.
Speaker B:Well, it passed the House representative and it's up for vote by the Senate.
Speaker B:And it could change the way we look at time in this country.
Speaker B:So I wrote a column for, for it and, and it went on radio across the country and it went on News Break and it went on jamesabrown.net and I got heard from so many of you I got voicemails, I got, I got email, I got text messages.
Speaker B:And I wanted to walk through some of your responses.
Speaker B:So many of them were so interesting.
Speaker B:And I got a few more and I want to walk through them and I want to close with a few more thoughts.
Speaker B:Larry Mikins said, yes, we should ban or we should go to daylight saving time.
Speaker B:I'm a deer hunter.
Speaker B:And a later sunrise, when deer season is open, give me an extra hour of sleep or I can stop for breakfast.
Speaker B:If we stay on standard time where I live, sunrise will be 4:30am in the summer.
Speaker B:But the upside is I can mow my lawn at 7 instead of 8.
Speaker B:Larry, I don't think your neighbors would like that.
Speaker B:I don't, I don't, I don't think that's something that, that they would enjoy.
Speaker B:I don't think I would enjoy hearing my neighbors lawn at lawnmowers at 7 or 8am that would definitely annoy me.
Speaker B:But, you know, you know, you know, that's some, that's you, you know.
Speaker B:But I do think there's one thing, there's a reason why I chose this, this response, because Larry, Larry's speaks to something that is really interesting.
Speaker B:This is all a matter of choice, right.
Speaker B:And all a matter of personal preference.
Speaker B:It's not really what's better and what's not, because there is no better.
Speaker B:And there is no not better because this is really, as I was saying early on in this hour, something that is relatively new in human history.
Speaker B:We put guardrails on something that didn't have guardrails for most of human history.
Speaker B:Standard time has only existed for 150 years or so.
Speaker B:And there was no government intervention until a little bit over a hundred years ago.
Speaker B:You know, the Greeks, the Romans, you know, the French foreign language legion, the, the, you know, the, the pilgrims, you know, these people did not think in terms of standard time.
Speaker B:They thought in terms of days.
Speaker B:They thought in terms of where the sun was in the sky.
Speaker B:They thought in terms of hours.
Speaker B:Yes, but they didn't think in terms of this level of precision that we have put on humanity.
Speaker B:We have shoved this precision on humanity.
Speaker B:Now, whether that's right or wrong, I'm not sure.
Speaker B:And I'm not sure that's, that's, you know, it's unclear to me whether there is like an answer to that.
Speaker B:And that's what I love about this program is that you and me can sit down and have this kind of discourse where there are no easy answers, there are no clear.
Speaker B:Up and downs we just pull a thread and take it where it leads us.
Speaker B:Because I don't think there is a right answer here.
Speaker B:There's a lot of strong opinions.
Speaker B:Larry Mikins is definitely one of them.
Speaker B:I just hope Larry doesn't wake me up when he is mowing the lawn.
Speaker B:I got an email from Homo Properties who says, why can't we just stay with standard time year round?
Speaker B:Why do we have to reinvent the wheel?
Speaker B:Part of me agrees with Homoa.
Speaker B:Why are we.
Speaker B:Why do we have to fiddle with something that is not sacred, too strong a term, but something that is unnecessary to fiddle with?
Speaker B:Why do we always have to.
Speaker B:Why do we always feel like we know better than all those who came before us?
Speaker B:It is one of those things, one of our bad, one of humanity's bad habits.
Speaker B:We always feel like we know better than everyone who came before us, at least this era of humanity.
Speaker B:We think that our version of time, in our version of culture, our version of law, and our version of.
Speaker B:Of everything from sexuality to.
Speaker B:To entertainment, the way we see things, is better than those who came before us.
Speaker B:Now, you know, I would also agree that they're not necessarily better themselves.
Speaker B:You know, like, you know, they're not perfect, but it's worth.
Speaker B:But I think we need to have a sense of caution before we.
Speaker B:We assume that our.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:That our way is always better.
Speaker B:And I guess that's what I've been trying to get at in this hour.
Speaker B:If I want you to take away anything from our time together.
Speaker B:On that note, I'm James A.
Speaker B:Brown and as always,.
Speaker A:Be well.
